Friday, September 18, 2015

If You Squeeze It, You Get Lemon Juice: The F35 Lightning II POS Aircraft - US Airforce Admits F35 "Fighter" Can NOT Fight!

One of my pet peeves over the last while has definitely been the outrageously overpriced and absolutely horrific new "fighter" aircraft that Lougheed Martin in the United States has been developing to replace ALL fighter aircraft in the entire US air fleet... That sorry excuse for an aircraft is of course the F35 Lightning II that is absolutely turning out to be a flying "lemon"...... It is especially outrageous that this new "fighter" program has cost the American taxpayers some 1/4 TRILLION dollars already to develop with the final cost including production to be well over a trillion dollars!   That money could well have been spent elsewhere especially for the needs of the American people themselves...

I came across the following article that I found to be a real eye opener and I definitely want to share its findings with everyone here... For according to the following report from The Daily Beast online website, at, the US Air Force has finally admitted that their TRILLION dollar new "fighter" aircraft, the F35, cannot even dogfight!  I have that article right here for everyone to see for themselves, and I do have my usual thoughts and comments to follow:


09.17.151:00 AM ET
Air Force: Stealth Fighter Can't Fight

Air Force Admits: Our New Stealth Fighter Can’t Fight

The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter is supposed to replace almost 90 percent of America’s tactical aviation fleet. Too bad it ‘wasn’t optimized for dogfighting,’ according to the Air Force.
The U.S. Air Force has finally admitted that its new F-35 Joint Strike Fighter isn’t maneuverable enough to beat older jets in a dogfight. But despite its earlier promises that the pricey, radar-evading warplane would excel in close combat, now the flying branch insists that the stealthy F-35 doesn’t even need to dogfight.

At a conference in Maryland on September 15, General Herbert Carlisle, head of the Air Force’s Air Combat Command, described the F-35 as not as maneuverable as some of its predecessors.

“That’s not what the airplane was designed to do,” Carlisle added, according to National Defense magazine. “It’s a multi-role airplane that has an incredibly comprehensive, powerful, integrated avionics and sensor suite.”

Colonel Edward Sholtis, an Air Combat Command spokesman, said the F-35 would be able to compensate for its relative sluggishness. “The F-35 wasn’t optimized for dogfighting maneuvers, but that isn’t remotely close to saying it doesn’t bring its own advantages to the air superiority mission.”

Namely, the new fighter should be able to detect and shoot down enemy planes from long range, making close-in fights unnecessary. Plus, the Joint Strike Fighter will team up with F-22s, F/A-18s, F-15s, F-16s, and other U.S. dogfighters, each plane performing the particular mission it’s best at and helping make up for the other jets’ weaknesses.

“I’m unclear why it’s presumed I need to be on the defensive about the statement of an almost universal feature in the introduction of new aircraft into a combat fleet,” Sholtis told The Daily Beast. “Their strengths are exploited to best effect and their inevitable limitations are mitigated through tactical innovation, their integration with other aircraft with different attributes, technical upgrades, etc.”

The statement comes at a moment when China and a newly belligerent Russia are both making heavy investments in advanced dogfighters. And it contradicts what the Air Force and Lockheed Martin, the company working with the Pentagon to develop and build the F-35, used to say about the new fighter. The U.S. military is counting on the supersonic Joint Strike Fighter to replace almost all of its current frontline jets—including most F/A-18s and F-16s—at a cost of more than $400 billion. The Marine Corps declared the first F-35 squadron combat-ready in July. The Pentagon plans to buy as many as 2,400 of the planes.

In 2008, Air Force Major General Charles Davis, then in charge of the F-35’s development, told Reuters the single-engine stealth jet was four times more effective in air combat than older planes were. Around the same time, Lockheed described the Joint Strike Fighter as a “racehorse” with the most powerful engine ever installed in a fighter.

And in 2013, Lockheed test pilot Billy Flynn told Flight Global that in terms of maneuverability and acceleration, the F-35 was “comparable or better in every one of those metrics, sometimes by a significant margin,” than today’s leading fighters, including the European Typhoon and America’s own F/A-18 Super Hornet.

But by mid-2015, evidence was mounting that the heavy, complex Joint Strike Fighter—which the Pentagon expects to attack targets on the ground and in the air with equal aplomb—can’t turn or accelerate fast enough to win in a dogfight against current fighters, to say nothing of future fighters that might be even more maneuverable.

In late June, this reporter and his team at the blog War Is Boring obtained an internal U.S. government memo describing a trial dogfight between an F-35 test plane and an F-16, one of the older jets the F-35 is replacing in Air Force squadrons. “The F-35 was at a distinct energy disadvantage,” the F-35 test pilot wrote in a scathing, five-page brief after losing multiple mock dogfights against the F-16 pilot.
To close observers of the Joint Strike Fighter’s 20-year-long development, the dogfight report came as no surprise. The F-35’s variants were meant to replace about 90 percent of America’s tactical air fleet. That meant taking on a whole lot of jobs. In trying to do everything—fighting in the air, making bombing runs, launching from aircraft carriers and even taking off vertically from small assault ships while also avoiding enemy radars—the F-35 combines a lot of contradictory design elements.
“The F-35 wasn’t optimized for dogfighting maneuvers, but that isn’t remotely close to saying it doesn’t bring its own advantages to the air superiority mission.”
It needs to fly slow for bombing missions but fast for aerial fighting, dictating a wing design that’s an unhappy compromise between straight and sleek.

It needs to haul lots of weapons for a wide range of missions but must also carry its munitions in an internal bomb bay in order to avoid creating a huge radar signature. That means a fat fuselage that’s big enough for a bomb bay, but which adds drag and slows down the plane.

Likewise, taking off vertically demands a downward-blasting second motor, but that motor is heavy and only adds to the F-35’s bulk.

And let’s not even get into the problems with the F-35’s sensor array, its weapons, or its susceptibility to being found by advanced radar.

Confronted with the growing awareness of the Joint Strike Fighter’s built-in limitations, this summer the Air Force and Lockheed began tweaking their public statements about the F-35.

In response to War Is Boring’s dogfight report, on July 1 the joint government-Lockheed program office overseeing the F-35 insisted the plane was never really meant for short-range aerial combat. “The F-35’s technology is designed to engage, shoot and kill its enemy from long distances, not necessarily in visual ‘dogfighting’ situations,” the program office stated on its website.

Besides, the office added, the F-35 in the dogfight test with the F-16 didn’t have all the high-tech equipment it would have had in frontline service, including a special helmet that should allow an F-35 pilot to fire a short-range air-to-air missile at an enemy plane from almost any angle by merely looking at the bad guy.

But with Carlisle’s September admission that the Joint Strike Fighter isn’t much of a dogfighter, the government’s subtle backpedaling from mid-summer has taken a nastier, more defensive tone.

“Your questions suggest you’ve resolved that these remarks somehow validate your settled opinion on the F-35, so I’m not sure how much this context matters to whatever you care to write,” Sholtis said when this reporter asked about Carlisle’s statement and the evolution of the Air Force’s position on the Joint Strike Fighter.

“I appreciate that you have strong opinions on the program, as many of us do, and that your rhetorical case is improved by treating nuance as waffling,” Sholtis added. “Unfortunately, the simplifications that work well in print don’t get you very far in the practical business of fielding a complex weapon system.”

NTS Notes:  I read this article carefully and I am calling BULLSHIT on everything the American air force people are saying about their so called new "fighter" aircraft...

First, the US has never learned the valuable lessons from the Vietnam war and how they tried to implement their F4 Phantoms for the role of not dog-fighting against smaller and agile North Vietnamese MIG fighters.... Back in the early 60's when F4's went up into combat against Vietnamese MIG17's and MIG21's, the initial thinking by the American military brass was that the F4 did not need to be in close air to air combat with the MIG's and could simply use its missiles to take out the MIG fighters from long range (much like the bullshit they are selling to the American people now with the F35...) BUT within a short period of time, the F4's were finding themselves woefully inadequately prepared for their fight against MIG's and the US air force quickly found out their F4's had a hard time in dog fights against the MIG's at close range....The US air force after initially losing a lot of F4's over Vietnam had to first re-equip the F4's with proper cannons for close air to air combat and then also retrain their pilots on the art of dogfighting (Anyone remember Miramar California air training and "top gun"? ....) ... After those changes and adaptations the properly armed F4's were able to match up very well against the MIG's in close air to air combat...

Now fast forward to 2015, and the US air force is again selling the American public a load of bullshit that their F35 "fighter" does not even need to fight in close air to air combat and the aircraft can blow MIG's and Sukhoi's out of the sky from long range (sound familiar?)....

Honestly, I wonder how much more the American public can take of the bullshit Lougheed Martin is trying to sell when it comes to this POS 'fighter'?..... This "aircraft" is so woefully inadequate against its competition and any adversary... It is too slow...Cannot turn or accelerate very well....Is inadequate in close air to air combat.....Carries a laughably inadequate amount of ordinance for combat....It is beyond useless in supporting ground troops due to its severe limitations.... Burns off fuel at an outrageous rate due to its VTOL engine and therefore cannot fly for long periods without the constant need for refueling...... Has a hard time flying at night and in rainstorms......Is not "stealthy" at all once you understand that "stealth" itself is a complete lie, scam, and fabrication..... And now we find the US air force claiming that as a "fighter" it cannot even fight?   Honestly, what good is this thing for other than to make criminals such as Lougheed Martin a lot of money?

And do not get me started on how my own government here in Canada is buying this flying lemon.... Billions of dollars to be wasted by Canadian taxpayers on this POS that woefully is needed elsewhere....

More to come



Mike Mann said...

NTS, the good news about this "POS 'fighter'" is that a whole bunch of them were ordered by the godless Israeli government and they are going to begin receiving them within the next year. I think they may be waiting on these things to attack Iran with. Well, with what I hear about the incredible building of Iran's defense, including the Russian S-300 system, our so-called state-of-the-art F35s are likely (I really hope) to be taken out before they can get anywhere near their targets. And maybe this will be the beginning of the end of that wretched, illegitimate state Isra-Hell.

Anonymous said...

From the very little that they have permitted us to see of the F35 in flight I can only conclude that it is just a life sized GRP model with electric motors within its wheels to propel it along an airport runway.
And in only YT video which I could find to see it in flight, it displayed its wing flaps pointing up whilst it was supposedly travelling on a level trajectory...CGI?

Anonymous said...

From the very little that they have permitted us to see of the F35 in flight I can only conclude that it is just a life sized GRP model with electric motors within its wheels to propel it along an airport runway.
And in the only YT video which I could find to see it in flight, it displayed its wing flaps pointing up whilst it was supposedly travelling on a level trajectory...CGI?

Northerntruthseeker said...

Mike... I agree with you on that one... I posted that same type of logic over at "Incogman" some time ago when that master criminal Miliewkosky was going to pursue F35's from the US as payback for his supporting the Iranian deal....

I hope that the Israelis do get that POS aircraft and the Arabs in superior Russian built craft do blow the bastards out of the skies!