Tuesday, January 28, 2014

Monday, January 27th Debate Between John Friend, Jim Fetzer, And Michael Collins Piper - My Analysis

I finished just a while ago listening to tonight's very important "debate" between Michael Collins Piper, Jim Fetzer, and John Friend.... I was both intrigued and very annoyed.   Just like the last "debate" between Jim Fetzer and Keith Johnson, one party in this debate did their damnest to turn it into a witch hunt.  I will not say which party, but after listening to this "debate" it does not take long to figure out whom!

First, I do want to present the article that John Friend has posted tonight, including his opening statement for the debate... It is courtesy of John's blog, at www.john-friend.net, and I have that article right here for everyone to view for themselves:

Monday, January 27, 2014


DATE WITH A DEBATE: MIKE PIPER VS. JIM FETZER AND JOHN FRIEND


On Monday, January 27, 2014, at 8 p.m. ET, Dave Gahary moderates the debate many of us have been waiting for.

For two hours, Mike Piper takes on Jim Fetzer and John Friend, who tackle the controversy surrounding the Sandy Hook Elementary School event, which will address most or all of the points raised in the article “Top Ten Reasons: Sandy Hook was an Elaborate Hoax,” plus additional information which may cause you to reassess your position on whether what happened on December 14, 2012 was real or staged.

Jim has published an article on his debate with Keith Johnson and Mike has broadcast his thoughts about Jim, John and Sandy Hook.

Since John will be joining us approximately 30 minutes after the start of the show, we will begin by giving Jim a chance to respond to Mike’s broadcast and Mike to respond to Jim’s article, although neither is required to do so.

When John arrives, he will be allowed a 10 minute opening statement.

The debate will follow this format:

The moderator will ask questions to each participant where they will have no more than five minutes to present their argument and evidence. If less than the allotted time is used, it will be set aside for a less structured discussion towards the end. At the end of the debate, each participant will have no more than five minutes for their closing statement. Personal or unnecessary attacks will be met with the mute button.

A tamper-proof poll will be activated halfway through the debate allowing for only one vote per IP address. Obviously, it would make sense to cast your vote only after you are completely convinced. Don’t simply vote for one participant because you dislike the other; listen to their arguments. Please treat the vote as if you yourself were running for some sort of public office.
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Please go vote in the poll over at American Free Press. You can download the entire program here.

Here is the opening statement I prepared for this debate:

There have been a number of developments since the original debate I arranged to take place on my radio program between Dr. Fetzer and Michael Collins Piper a couple weeks ago. There have been a number of accusations and statements made that I would like to address and clarify for the record before we jump into the Sandy Hook discussion.

First of all, when I posted the radio program Dr. Fetzer and I did where we discussed and critiqued Mike Piper’s position on Sandy Hook, I indicated in the show notes that Piper backed out of the scheduled debate the night before because he was having health issues, as he indicated in an email sent to Dr. Fetzer and I. And that’s exactly what happened: Mike Piper backed out of the scheduled debate because of a foot injury, from what I understand. When I used the term “backed out”, as in Piper backed out of the debate, I simply meant he withdrew his commitment to participate in the debate scheduled for that day due to health reasons. I indicated right at the beginning of the program that Piper was perhaps interested in rescheduling the debate for a future date. And here we are today.

During the discussion I hosted with Dr. Fetzer that day, we in no way attempted to slander or vilify Mike Piper – we simply addressed the statements he has made and the positions he has taken regarding Sandy Hook, both in articles he has written for American Free Press and in his book, False Flags. I even defended Piper repeatedly throughout the program, explaining that although I think his position on Sandy Hook is untenable, he is a valuable voice in the independent media and has done phenomenal work in the past. I have learned a great deal from Mike Piper over the past few years, and have read many of the books he has written. I was particularly impressed with The New Babylon, which clarified in my mind what the whole “New World Order” concept is all about, and the forces that are really behind it.

It has been alleged by Mark Glenn and others that I have stated or implied that I think Mike Piper was faking his health issues in order to get out of the debate. Let me say for the record that I have never questioned or doubted Mike Piper’s health issues. I have never said or implied that Mike’s health issues are “a hoax” or that he is lying about his health problems. Anyone saying otherwise is lying, plain and simple.

I wasn’t able to listen to Mike Piper’s recent radio program, but I did read the note he wrote regarding the program, which was posted on Mark Glenn’s website The Ugly Truth. Let me address some of the things in that note.

I have nothing but respect for American Free Press and all of the individuals I have known and worked with since I began writing for the paper. It is truly an honor for me to be writing for AFP, the last real newspaper in this country. If Mike Piper or anyone associated with AFP would like me to take a lie detector test, let me know when and where and I will be there! I would be more than happy to submit to a lie detector test if asked to by Chris Petherick, Paul Angel, Willis Carto, Mike Piper, or anyone else at AFP or The Barnes Review.

We can discuss anything I’ve just said as we proceed, but now I’d like to briefly turn to Sandy Hook.

Anyone following my website and radio program knows that I have taken a keen interest in the alleged Sandy Hook school shooting that took place just over one year ago in Newtown, Connecticut. The Connecticut State Police and mass media reported that on December 14, 2012, a 20-year-old young man named Adam Lanza first shot and killed his mother, Nancy Lanza, in their Newtown home before driving to the Sandy Hook Elementary School and going on a shooting rampage, murdering 20 children and 6 adults - truly an amazing, and highly implausible, feat supposedly accomplished by a young man with no known military training. According to the official narrative of the alleged shooting, Adam Lanza - the “lone gunman” - shot all but two of his victims multiple times, firing over 150 rounds in a matter of minutes, before shooting himself in the head when first responders arrived at the school. Many have questioned the plausibility of such a scenario, and consider the official narrative and subsequent media coverage of this alleged school shooting a total insult to the intelligence of the American public.

Indeed, the official narrative of the alleged Sandy Hook school shooting is as ludicrous, as ridiculous, and as untenable as the official conspiracy theory explaining the events of 9/11. It’s as ludicrous and ridiculous as the official narrative of WWII and the fake Jewish “Holocaust” story. Any objective, honest journalist or investigator should recognize this fact.

There really is no reason to accept the official narrative of the alleged mass shooting supposedly performed by Adam Lanza at the Sandy Hook Elementary school. The absurd media coverage and testimony from alleged "eye witnesses" and "family members" of the supposedly murdered children truly was a bizarre spectacle to observe, casting further doubt upon the already ludicrous and implausible official narrative.

The hypothesis that the alleged Sandy Hook school shooting was in reality a massive hoax - perhaps some sort of mass shooting drill organized by the Department of Homeland Security working in conjunction with state and local police and officials in Connecticut, which was then presented in the mass media as if it were a real life, genuine event - has been put forth by numerous independent researchers. Based on the known facts and information at our disposal, this hypothesis appears to me to be much more tenable than any other hypothesis or explanation, particularly the official narrative of the Sandy Hook shooting maintained and promoted by the mass media and government.

The Jewish propagandist and public relations specialist Edward Bernays wrote in his 1928 book Propaganda:
The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. 
We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. [...]
Bernays would go on to write that "it remains a fact that in almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons... who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind, who harness old social forces and contrive new ways to bind and guide the world."

Bernays defined propaganda as "a consistent, enduring effort to create or shape events to influence the relations of the public to an enterprise, idea or group," and contended - correctly in my view - that "Propaganda is the executive arm of the invisible government."

There can be no doubt that the Jewish-controlled mass media regularly presents altered, distorted, manipulated, or even outright fabricated photographic and video imagery, coupled with false scripted testimony, in order to advance certain geopolitical and cultural agendas, as well as literally creating and manufacturing an artificial reality we are all forced to operate in.

An artificial reality the government is forced to create public policy in.

An artificial reality we are forced to educate our children in.

The mass media is no longer a benevolent, enlightening force - if it ever was one - that seeks to honestly inform the public about important political, economic, social and historical issues, in addition to holding powerful forces operating in society to account. No, the mass media has been weaponized, and has been and continues to be used to systematically deceive and psychologically and emotionally exploit the American public in order to advance certain agendas and false narratives of history and current happenings.


And just as noted in the article, here is the link to the Blogtalk Radio MP3 for this entire debate:

http://blogtalk.vo.llnwd.net/o23/show/5/989/show_5989273.mp3

NTS Notes: Now to get down to my own analysis of this "debate"....

First, I must note that as in the previous "debate" between Jim Fetzer and Keith Johnson, the constant laughing and chuckling by Michael Collins Piper in the background during this debate as Jim Fetzer spoke was totally unnecessary and actually was quite childish.  I have participated in true debates in the past,  and usually when one party has severe weakness in their arguments and have not a leg to stand on, they always resort to such ridiculous behavior.   In the case of this "debate" it was totally uncalled for, and shows the character of Piper shining through...

Second, I was annoyed by the constant reference by Michael Collins Piper to the initial findings of Jim Fetzer that led him and others to believe that the Sandy Hook operation was conducted by a "Mossad Hit Squad"... As far as I am concerned, that was a terrible point that Piper constantly homed in on, simply because we ALL were falsely led down the wrong paths initially when this operation took place.  That may have been by design to muddy the waters and to lead people away from the real truths about the operation itself!  I for one can admit freely that I made the initial mistake of seeing this operation as one where the shooter was on SSRI drugs, and with the video showing men running away from the "school" into the woods along with the evidence shown of several cars and supposed "getaway" vehicles, I initially made some of the same assumptions that Jim Fetzer made in his initial findings on Sandy Hook. This is human error, and everyone does make mistakes!  But knowing that I am a human being that can make mistakes, I did some further digging and after time and more careful research, dismissed those initial assumptions, just as Jim Fetzer did, and began to focus on the rational explanation that this Sandy Hook "shooting" was indeed an elaborate operation!   As far as I am concerned, Piper lost this debate because he fails to understand the ability of people to be human beings and admit to error (something that it sadly seems he is incapable of), which of course Fetzer freely admitted to with his initial Mossad hit squad belief and error... It was ridiculous that Piper tried to make a witch hunt of this debate by constantly circling back to that one single point of contention, and continued to focus on that ridiculous moot point that was already proven in error and dismissed by Fetzer himself even before this debate began, rather than even discuss any other evidence that Fetzer and Friend brought forward!.....To me, that made Piper look foolish, and incapable of even discussing the other evidence that Fetzer and Friend tried to present.... Talk about a narrow vision... I wondered how Piper would feel if someone went and sifted through all of the errors of judgment he ever made and tried to throw them in his face?

Third, I was surprised about the ability of Fetzer to keep his cool for as long as possible until Piper went on the tirade of name calling and making false pretexts against him... To me, that again shows such horrendous behavior on the part of Piper, and showed that he brought absolutely nothing at all to this "debate"... He preferred only to attack Fetzer's articles, and his statements rather than try to defend the legality of the entire Sandy Hook shooting!   It was sad that in the middle of the debate, Piper got Fetzer's ire and Jim had to resort to the low level that Piper was showing.  That was disgusting.....

Fourth, I was actually quite amazed about how well John Friend kept his cool and stayed focused on many of the facts that he presented.  His material was concise, and well presented.  Piper could not attack John for any of his statements, but continued to circle back in trying to make Fetzer his bullseye for his attacks, which again was disgusting...

Fifth, I was terribly annoyed by the references made by Piper about this "Cass  Sunstein" character... As I stated in previous articles, I had never even HEARD of this Jewish character until it was brought up... I went and looked at the links to this character, and I really have to laugh.... I have been an independent free thinking researcher for decades now, and I have no affiliations, or need for associations, to speak freely and to present the truth where I see it.... To me, this argument that WE in the Sandy Hook group that sees it as a fraud are somehow "influenced" by this "Cass Sunstein" is the most ludicrous and ridiculous statement anyone can make!   I am so astonished and ashamed at those who continue to try to use it because it shows they have NOTHING to back up the idea that Sandy Hook was real.... And that goes as well for this "Delphi Principle" that some are also parroting that we doing.. Again, I have never heard of the "Delphi Principle" before, and I only just read up on it thanks to my friend Whitewraithe who wrote some articles about it!  To me, this is another weak point on the part of these fools who still believe Sandy Hook was real, and actually weakens their arguments.... They refuse to look at the details and proof of the fraud, and instead scream "Cass Sunstein" or "Delphi" at us!!!

I do leave it up to everyone to decide exactly who won this  "debate".... In my honest opinion, I would say that the Sandy Hook was real crowd needs to do more homework and actually come prepared for a debate and not a witch hunt.....They are again making themselves look like fools...

More to come

NTS


6 comments:

Dublinmick said...

I considered Fetzer the winner long ago. The free press is owned now by Mark Lane a zio who managed to get out of Jonestown just before everybody was killed.

http://dublinsmick.wordpress.com/2013/04/28/professor-james-tracy-of-florida-atlantic-university-censured-concerning-sandy-hook-shooting-views/?relatedposts_exclude=1865


http://dublinsmick.wordpress.com/2013/04/22/accused-chechen-bombers-uncle-ruslan-zaindi-tsarni-worked-for-usaid-big-sky-corporation-had-connections-to-kazakh-oligarchs/

Anonymous said...

I think Mark Lane is CIA, as do other investigators of note. Re Guyana, as the Congressional delegation was on their way, having received requests from Jonestown cult members to rescue them, according to Wikipedia, Lane took the lead to stand in front of the people there, and loudly for a long period of time, harangue them, and worked them up into a frenzy by telling them that the CIA was on their way to harm them. He represented Jim Jones, and we all know what then did happen to Congressman Ryan and those with him, at the hands of Jones and followers.

I have noticed that the results being posted at AmericanFreePress.net have been changing since I first read them yesterday morning, with Friend/Fetzer then with 51% and Piper 42%. That changed, and now today, Piper has 52%, and Friend/Fetzer only with 42%. I wonder when AFP closed the voting.

What do you make of the manner of counting of the votes, and calculation of the results, Brian et al Fetzer and Friend are so brave and brilliant.

Frank Fredenburg said...

I just listened to Deanna Springola Interviews Joe Cortina and she is also parroting the Delphi Principle.

Northerntruthseeker said...

Thanks, Frank...

It makes sense.. All these con artists are now screaming "Delphi" or "Cass Sunstein" when they are proven wrong..

It reminds me of the Jews screaming "holocaust" every time we catch them in their lies...

Anonymous said...

Jim Fetzer’s top ten reasons: Sandy Hook was an elaborate hoax.
#1 reason: Proof of death has been suppressed.
“……The final report about Sandy Hook by the Connecticut State police does not include the names, the ages or the sex for those who alleged to have died there.……”

On December 15, an article appeared on Hartford Courant website:
http://www.courant.com, has a list of names of the victims of Sandy Hook Elementary shooting



Police Release Names Of Newtown School Shooting Victims
December 15, 2012
Below are the names of the victims of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, as released by Connecticut State Police (Name, age, date of birth, sex):
Charlotte Bacon, 6, 2/22/2006, F
Daniel Barden, 7, 9/25/2005, M
Rachel Davino, 29, 7/17/1983, F
Olivia Rose Engel, 6, 7/18/2006, F
Josephine Gay, 7, 12/11/2005, F
Ana Grace Marquez-Greene, 6, 4/04/2006, F
Dylan Hockley, 6, 3/08/2006, M
Dawn Hocksprung, 47, 6/28/1965, F
Madeleine F Hsu, 6, 7/10/2006, F
Catherine V Hubbard, 6, 6/08/2006, F
Chase Kowalski, 7, 10/31/2005, M
Jesse Lewis, 6, 6/30/2006, M
James Mattioli, 6, 3/22/2006, M
Grace McDonnell, 7, 11/04/2005, F
Anne Marie Murphy, 52, 7/25/1960, F
Emilie Parker, 6, 5/12/2006, F
Jack Pinto, 6, 5/6/2006, M
Noah Pozner, 6, 11/20/2006, M
Caroline Previdi, 6, 9/7/2006, F
Jessica Rekos, 6, 5/10/2006, F
Avielle Richman, 6, 10/17/2006, F
Lauren Rousseau, 30, 6/8/1982, F
Mary Sherlach, 56, 2/11/1956, F
Victoria Soto, 27, 11/4/1985, F
Benjamin Wheeler, 6, 9/12/2006, M
Allison N Wyatt, 6, 7/3/2006, F
http://articles.courant.com/2012-12-15/news/hc-names-sandy-hook-newtown-school-shooting-victims-20121215_1_ana-grace-marquez-greene-victims-names

Unknown said...

Taking a step back, Piper is arguably not in his right mind by undergoing serious medical problems and a bad prognosis (although those can be taken with a grain of salt), and instead of taking time off (even a week) he goes right back to the AFP office and engages in acrimonious email exchanges and radio debates.
Hopefully Piper isn't cutting his life short by ignoring his health the way he seems to be doing.