Wednesday, February 13, 2013

A Real Holocaust: Dresden Deserves To Be Remembered!

It is so shocking to realize that exactly 68 years ago today, the combined Air Forces of both the United States and Great Britain assaulted and firebombed the innocent city of Dreden Germany.   That "Holocaust" cost the lives of almost 500,000 innocent civilians.   It was an act of cold blooded murder on the part of the "Allies" and to this day there has been little recognition given for that massacre, and the victims that died in that horrible act of genocide...

I want to present an interesting article that comes from the Telegraph online news service out of the United Kingdom, at, written by Tom Chivers.   It is entitled: "Dresden Deserves To Be Remembered", and as the title states, even after 68 years we must always remember the poor victims of that horrible genocidal murder.  Here is that article, and I do have my own thoughts and comments to follow:

Dresden deserves to be remembered

Dresden's city centre, of which more than 90 per cent was destroyed. (Photo: Wikimedia Commons)
Dresden's city centre, of which more than 90 per cent was destroyed. (Photo: Wikimedia)
It's the 68th anniversary of the Dresden bombing. In Britain, we don't think about it as much as, perhaps, we should.
The bare facts. More than 1,200 RAF and USAAF bombers attacked the city between the 13th and 15th of February 1945, in four raids. They dropped 3,900 tons of high explosive and incendiary bombs, killing between 22,000 and 25,000 people, almost all civilians. The city's anti-aircraft defences had all been moved to defend the industrial works of the Ruhr valley.
The details are chilling. The bombing, first with high explosive to clear buildings out of the way of the wind, and then incendiaries to start fires, was deliberately intended to cause firestorms. A piece written last year on the Command Posts military history blog talks about the 15,000-foot smoke; the RAF bomber crews, 8,000 feet in the air, were sweating, their planes' bellies exposed to incredible heat even at that altitude. The wind whipped up into great fiery tornadoes, hurling people into the air and sucking oxygen from air-raid shelters so that families suffocated underground. The novelist Kurt Vonnegut, who was a prisoner of war in the city at the time and whose novel Slaughterhouse-Five depicted the horror, described the scene in the shelters as "like a streetcar full of people who’d simultaneously had heart failure. Just people sitting there in their chairs, all dead." His captors forced him and his fellow captives to go into the shelters to recover bodies. "Encouraged by cuffing and guttural abuse, wade in we did,” he wrote. “We did exactly that, for the floor was covered with an unsavoury broth from burst water mains and viscera.”
Victor Gregg was a soldier in the British 10th Parachute Regiment. He was captured in Arnhem and held near Dresden. He, like Vonnegut, was made to clear bodies from air-raid shelters. "It wasn't too bad," he said,in this interview on this morning's Today programme. "They were dead. We had the impression that a lot of them had died before they roasted, because of the lack of oxygen. They had this peaceful look on their face. But as you got further in, you'd come to where they'd shrivelled up to about three feet or so. And there were no babies, because children under the age of three would have been too soft, they'd have melted."
Mr Gregg says he is "ashamed" of what the British bombers did – he didn't blame the bomber pilots, but the men who sent them: "They roasted these people to death, and there wasn't a soldier among them. The concept was to go and frighten them. How can old people force the government to give up anything? No, I'll never forgive them. Churchill, Attlee, the lot of them, that war cabinet."
I don't know, and can't know, whether the Dresden attack was militarily justified. Nowadays it would be morally unthinkable, of course: more practically, I believe that the tactic of attacking civilians to undermine a country's morale for the war effort is not thought to be effective. But Britain was in total war, and had suffered horrifying attacks of its own: German bomber pilots had coined the verb "coventrieren", or "conventrate", meaning "devastate with heavy bombing", after what the Luftwaffe did to Coventry. We can't possibly think ourselves into the minds of the politicians and Bomber Command officers who ordered the raid. As well as being a terror attack, the Dresden bombing was intended to "cause great confusion in civilian evacuation from the east and hamper movement of reinforcements from other fronts", and help the Soviet offensive from the east. Four hundred and twenty thousand Russian troops died in the last 40 miles to Berlin as it was: this was a war of extraordinary horror.
So I don't want to express a moral point, to say that it is a stain on our conscience or that Britain should apologise. Mr Gregg believes we should, but he was there, and has earned a right that I don't have; I don't know what an apology would do, now, anyway.
But I do think that Dresden doesn't have a place in our minds in the way that the London Blitz does, or Stalingrad, or for that matter Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It, like the devastation of Hamburg in 1943 and the USAAF firebombing of Tokyo in Operation Doolittle, isn't as widely known: understandably, since the winning side is unlikely to dwell on its own murky deeds. So, listen to that Victor Gregg interview, readSlaughterhouse-Five and the Command Posts piece, and the eyewitness records on the Wikipedia page, and be aware of it all, if you're not already. Some things deserve to be remembered, whether we think they were justified or not.

NTS Notes: One major glaring error in this article is where the author states that between 22,000 and 25,000 people died in this tragedy... The fact is that he is off by a factor of nearly 20x... Modern research has uncovered the fact that by that time of the second World War, the city of Dresden was swelled by some 1 million refugees that were fleeing the marching Soviet troops.   Most of these refugees were massacred during the fire bombing itself!

It is also shocking that our so called "History books" continue to promote the leaders of our nations during World War II as great men... But the facts are coming out now that both Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Winston Churchill were mad men that allowed the extermination of innocent civilians in this attack on Dresden, as well as the fire bombings of other major German cities including Hamburg, and Berlin....

Yes, 68 years later, and there still has been no justice for the victims of this, a true "Holocaust".   It is therefore important that Dresden remain in the forefront for the pursuit of truth about that period of history.   The innocents deserve that much...

More to come



Noor al Haqiqa said...

Remember, there was an unspoken private effort to wipe as many Germans off the planet as possible. Eisenhower, Jew and German hater, was responsible for the death of millions of men in his death camps. Almost all were Germans who had already surrendered and they were left exposed in fields with no food, water or sanitation.

Here is something interesting however. The ONLY Allied leader who stood against these campaigns was our Canadian Prime Minister Mackenzie King who refused to sanction the German genocide.

BTW Dresden was not a military city at all. It was famed for the making of fine chinaware and porcelains etc. And remember, it was done AFTER the war just like Hiroshima and Nagasaki after Japan had seceded.

Oh, and interestingly, the author .. who of course would not dare for fear of an Israeli fatwa... does not mention the obvious holoco$t or dare make a comparison between genocidal intentions. But this needs to be mentioned.

Anonymous said...

For someone who likes to know more, there are 2 giants who did extensive research about the topic:
The Destruction of Dresden by David Irving

Dresden Holocaoust 1945 movie by Lady Renouf

Anonymous said...

The now dead, guilty leaders who planned every atrocity composing the war shall themselves continue to experience the horrific suffering of a just judgment for their crimes, including being burned in a lake of fire forever. So it is written in the Holy Bible as believed by those of the Christian faith. The punishment remains the same for the guilty who are still living, but who will die eventually. Judgment would be welcomed to begin for these criminals while they still live!
Dresden Holocaust: Slaughter
Of 500,000 German Civilians
"Churchill, who ordered the Dresden slaughter to appease Stalin, as we have seen, was knighted; and the rest is history. The cold-blooded sadism of the massacre, however, is brushed aside by Churchill's biographers, who still cannot bring themselves to tell how the desire of one madman to impress another one led to the mass-murder of up to a half million people.
So, to repeat, when we talk about Holocausts and war crimes let us not forget Dresden, when fellow white men bombed into annihilation hundreds of thousands of other white men, women and children. Will we ever see a Dresden Memorial Day in Britain? I doubt it. "

It seems that almost everything we Americans have ever been told about WWII has been lies. From the beginning to the end, generally decent and patriotic Americans have been deceived into accepting "evil as good." Those who were the young generation that lived it, suffered, and lost loved ones would probably have difficulty accepting the truths not known then because it would be too painful. Yet sorrow for unjust wrongs done can give one's heart an inner peace, even if the past cannot be undone. Again as in Christian faith, since God knows all, he also cares without being limited by time constraints.

Anonymous said...

Dresden deserved everything that happened to it. lel.

Northerntruthseeker said...

Dresden deserved it? Lets see.... Was Dresden a military target? No... Was Dresden a place where refugees were gathering? Yes... Is it ok to kill innocent refugees?... You tell me, Mr. Anonymous!

It is indeed sick individuals that believe that the slaughter of 1/2 million innocent refugees is ok....But we see the mental psychosis all the time in their tribe!